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Re: releasing guidelines need changed

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mimzy wrote:Personally I like the anarchistic nature of FLM compared to other movie sites with strict releasing rules. It's not a problem if one of those strict boards refuses to link to FLM, because everybody knows FLM anyway :mrgreen:

I think FLM should basically keep the the same course as before.

People should just use common sense when posting stuff and not post anything that would obviously cause problems with Leo (or Lea), or insult other users (some tiny flamewars would be OK, though). I guess nobody of us wants the board to be taken down by authorities or lose members because of conflicts.
As I said, these are guidelines not commandments, but I think they should be mostly unambiguous. I don't want to be a censor or a dictator or even just a nagging nelly, but I also don't want to see anything happen to FLM.
mimzy wrote:We need guidelines to help unexperienced users share better.
The quidelines are almost like an etiquette guide - someone might not even realize he's doing something irritating.
mimzy wrote:I'm patient and it's OK for me if a file takes a long time to download. Also, releasing several movies at once is IMO OK, provided that they will get shared out eventually. I am not even sure about the necessity to unshare everything else than the released file. Depends on the bandwidth, and unless too many files are shared, setting the priority of the released file to "Release" and the priority of other files lower should be enough. It would be a good idea to unshare files with very high number of complete sources, though.
I'm patient too - I didn't finally delete "Yellow" from my queue until two years had passed with nothing. :) We were aiming at those who release several movies but then don't even put eMule online. Nobody knows if they'll ever be complete.

Major releasers like starfish and ptguardian often unshare everything except their current releases to spread them faster. I'll unshare everything but one file just to help someone who's having problems getting it otherwise. As for the rest of the files I share, almost all of them have 1 source - me. None of them have more than 3 complete sources. Since I suck at finding new stuff, keeping the rare files available is my way of paying back the FLM community.
mimzy wrote:Regarding release info, it would be nice to have as much info as possible, but members should not be obliged to comment about the movie in order to make a release. If an OT movie was released somewhere else, post it here ASAP and don't wait until next Sunday when you have time to watch it :mrgreen:

We should also keep in mind that some users may not have enough English skills to write their own reviews.
Agreed. The guidelines show how to make a release better. Another way people like me can help is to go search for that info and "fill in the blanks". We don't mind doing that unless someone never goes to the trouble himself because that's mostly laziness.
mimzy wrote:Another issue is non-ed2k links, like torrents and rapidshare. I think those should be in any case allowed if there is no good ed2k link available.
I think the policy we've always used is pretty good - it's worked well for a long time. Direct-download links, torrents, rapidshare, UseNet, etc. are all OK if there's not already an ed2k link because it'll eventually be put on the mule. Once in ed2k, the other links can be removed from the posts. I don't want to get into any tussles about "method X is so much better than method Y".
mimzy wrote:PS. There is a link to BBCode guide on the posting page: https://www.first-loves.com/forums/f ... ode=bbcode
I didn't know this was here. It's identical to the one on the phpBB website. BBCode is used in a lot of software like blogs, other php-based boards, etc. Heck, the Helpdesk software my agency uses allows BBCode in it - saves a lot of work if you know how to use it. A tutorial I don't have to write. :thumbsup
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Re: releasing guidelines need changed

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Phuzzy4242 wrote: The quidelines are almost like an etiquette guide - someone might not even realize he's doing something irritating.
I agree completely.
Phuzzy4242 wrote: We were aiming at those who release several movies but then don't even put eMule online. Nobody knows if they'll ever be complete.
The reason I started this thread and we all know who prompted it.

This thread should just be an outline that we can fine tune and eventually make into a sticky to help people. Most of us veterans already know what is expected.
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Re: releasing guidelines need changed

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I honestly don't know why there seems to be need for any major debate...

ghost's 'POSTING FAQ - PLEASE READ' post is simple and to the point:

https://www.first-loves.com/forums/v ... =71&t=7752

If members just follow the posting guidelines spelled out there, life would be beautiful. :D

All the extraneous technical information/crap just serves to muddle the process. :wall

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Re: releasing guidelines need changed

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Not really a debate it is an indirect response to posts made that are frustrating and wasting bandwidth of others. The site has evolved over the years but some members have not. This is just a revision and or addition to what Ghost posted.

No harm done. Only helpful advise. :cool



This is a new site and I like that there are different opinions being offered. It is the collaboration of these differences that makes it our site.

If you don't like things discussed(debated) openly. What would you suggest as an alternative?
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Here's what I've come up with. I think it belongs as topic #2 in Posting Rules. Comments?
First Loves Movies (FLM) is dedicated to childhood movies based on first love, the beauty of youth, and coming of age.

The following are guidelines - FLM is pretty relaxed and flexible but these are good rules-of-thumb:

General
  • No pornography. This one is NOT just a guideline.
  • Films and videos must be commercially made - home movies, home-made YouTube videos, or other amateur-made films aren't valid. Generally, if a film is listed at any of IMDb, RareFilmFinder, Lost Movies Archive, Children in Cinema, CVMC, or a country's film board, it's okay to post.
  • FLM is based on the eMule (ed2k) format. Torrents, UseNet, rapidshare, and other sources may be posted if there are no ed2k sources. Once posted in ed2k format, the admins may (and probably will) remove links to other formats.
  • A film does not have to be primarily about children and they don't need to be the central characters, but they must be more than mere 'props'. In other words, if the children in a film could be removed without changing the plot or they're only shown for a minute or two, the movie probably isn't FLM material. In general, kids should have at least 10% screen-time.
  • 'Children' includes kids up to the age of 16. Many "children's" roles are played by actors or actresses older than than that, but if the characters they play are 16 or younger, that's acceptable.
  • A film may or may not have partial or full nudity of some of its characters, adults and/or children. Inclusion of nudity - or the lack of it - does not determine whether any film is "On-Topic".
  • Courtesy counts. The only way people have to judge your character is how you behave in the forums - if you can't say something nice, say nothing at all. Take any conflicts with other members to Private Messages. The admins do not monitor PM's in any way, but they reserve the right to edit or delete posts in public forums and discipline members if necessary.
Since FLM is based on eMule, a few other guidelines are appropriate to help make things smoother all around:

[REL]eases
  • A film is a [REL]ease when there is a verified eMule link - in other words, the complete file has been downloaded and the film really is FLM material. If nobody has the complete file, it's a [REQ]uest. A good release has info that encourages people to download it - name of the film, year of release, country, IMDb or other links, a synopsis of the plot, screenshots, comments, and of course, an ed2k link.
  • Use 'Search' to see if your release has already been posted. If it has, what you want to release an improvement? If so, go ahead and post it in the same thread as the original and tell people what's better about it (higher resolution, DVD rip instead of VHS, subtitles, etc.).
  • Don't release more than you can share efficiently. We certainly don't want to discourage anyone from releasing but these suggestions can make the whole process work better.
    • If you are the only source for a release, make sure others are able to completely download it before you stop sharing it. In general, once you've shared at least twice the bytes as the original file you can be pretty sure others have gotten a complete copy.
    • Keep your eMule client online long enough to allow others to complete the file. If you can't be online 24/7 or you can only share so much per day/week/month, let people know so they have an idea of what they're getting into.
    • Don't release more than your bandwidth can carry - if you release three films at once it will take three times as long to completely download them from you. As others get parts to each file, they start sharing them too and help spread the release... but if you're the only original source, someone has to get all those parts from you first.
    • If you release something, it helps to temporarily UNshare everything else until someone completes the new release. If you direct your bandwidth to one file at a time it will get completed by others faster and you will now have help sharing this file, allowing you to move on to the next release. This isn't required but it can vastly speed up the spread of your file.
  • Limit the filesize. If the source is Blu-ray or the release is special and you want it shared in the best detail, we'll understand the larger size as long as you let people know ahead of time. However, a 3GB rip of a 30 minute VHS film probably won't be downloaded by anyone. Plenty of people will help show you how to make a smaller rip if needed. Have a heart for those people with limited bandwidth.
  • Many people don't release much, if anything. That's perfectly fine IF they also share some of the files they've downloaded. The more people who have parts to any one file, the faster everyone gets them. Posting a review after you've watched a film may encourage others to download it too. Saying "thanks" to a film's poster doesn't hurt either and may encourage them to post other goodies! All of these things are 'paybacks' for the posters' hard work, along with being simple courtesy.
[REQ]uests
  • Anyone can [REQ]uest a film. You read a review someplace, you see a cool trailer that interests you, or whatever gets you interested in a movie, let us know about it - we'll probably be interested too. Eventually someone will find the film, post the ed2k link, and the film will be moved to [REL]ease.
  • Use 'Search' to see if your request has already been posted. If it's been released, your search is over! If a [REQ] has already been made for it, a 'bump' might be in order. If nobody has requested the film before, you can be sure they want to know about it.
  • The more info you post about your request, the easier it will be to find. A good [REQ]uest makes other people want to help find it. The same info used in a release makes it more likely - name of the film, year of release, country, IMDb or other links, synopsis, screenshots, etc.
Again, these are guidelines, not commandments. Common sense and courtesy are important - these are more an etiquette guide than a list of 'thou shalts' and 'thou shalt nots'.
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Re: releasing guidelines need changed

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I like it Phuzzy. Great work. :thumbsup

Only problem I foresee is because it is lengthy it may not be read completely and or all taken in.

Perhaps adding a link/sticky to posting guidelines and your emule tutorial at the top of each forum it will be seen more often and absorbed.


Example:

FLM is pretty relaxed and flexible but these are good rules-of-thumb for Posting: Guidelines for Posting

Links are posted now but I rarely notice them. Perhaps a different color,size or bold type?
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ptguardian wrote:Only problem I foresee is because it is lengthy it may not be read completely and or all taken in.
Many people won't read even a one-line rules posting. :lol:
ptguardian wrote:Perhaps adding a link/sticky to posting guidelines and your emule tutorial at the top of each forum it will be seen more often and absorbed.
I don't think it needs to be so intrusive - I think it should go in Posting Rules if the other admins agree and just leave it at that. I thought about making the eMule tutorial sticky in eMule Help/FAQ but I'm certainly not the final expert on eMule - I don't know if it's even been useful to anyone.
ptguardian wrote:Links are posted now but I rarely notice them. Perhaps a different color,size or bold type?
I'm not a big fan of the washed-out colors of either the "FLM" or "prosilver" board styles - it's a personal preference, but I'd rather have contrasting colors and icons so things like forums with unread posts are easy for old men like me to see at a glance. If that's something you think more people would prefer, I could create an "FLM2" theme - I think mimzy would be okay with adding it to the board but we'd have to ask. In the meantime, which color do you prefer for links?
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or maybe underlines too to make the link more distinctive
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Either of the reds look good to me.

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I too like the contrasting colors that stand out. Also the "FLM2" theme would be a great option if Mimzy would go for it .

Posting Rules perhaps could be relabeled to draw more attention. Recently you all had fun with how much posting does rule.(My Little Princess) Perhaps renaming it to Posting Kicks Ass?
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Re: releasing guidelines need changed

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ptguardian wrote:I like it Phuzzy. Great work. :thumbsup
I second that. It's well-written and I haven't yet noticed anything I can bitch about :mrgreen:
ptguardian wrote:I too like the contrasting colors that stand out. Also the "FLM2" theme would be a great option if Mimzy would go for it.
I am willing to install any additional themes that members contribute. Note that due to FLM extensions I cannot install standard phpBB3 themes off the Internet, though. If a standard phpBB3 theme is downloaded from the net, it needs some *relatively* minor modifications before it can be installed.

Phuzzy was working on "FLM2", but it's a huge amount of work...
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Okay, I've put it in Posting Rules and locked both it and the Posting FAQ.
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